The parliament of Pakistan passed new election reforms bill where they made amendments so that the Qadiyanies (followers of a 19th century imposter Prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of Qadiyan), already declared non-Muslims in 1973 constitution of Pakistan, can vote and contest elections as Muslims. There was 12 hour protest by Allama Khadim Hussain Rizvi on Mall of Lahore to take the amendments back. First the government of Pakistan refused there was any changes to Khatame Nabuwwah clause. Later when there were major outcry and Army ISPR showed concerns, the amendments were taken back. Allama Khadim Hussain Rizvi organized a long march on 6th Nov 2017 from Lahore to Islamabad, demanding that the federal law minister Zaid Hamid should resign for this neglect. Despite large presence of people government showed no intentions to hear the demands and the long march got converted to sit-in at Faizabad, one of around 100 entry points to Islamabad. Meanwhile government closed major roads with containers to stop long march from entering D-Chowk. Here is an interview of Allama Khadim Hussain Rizvi with Faheem Farani, taken sometime around 20th Sep 2017. Here goes the transcript:
Q. We have the Ameer (Chairman) Tehreek Labaik Ya Rasool Allah with us. Let us include him in this talk. Aslam O Alaikum Rizvi Sahib
Wa Alaikum us Salam
Q. Thank you for joining us Allama Sahib. You are present here (Faizabad, Islamabad sit-in) for last two weeks. Islamabad High Court (IHC) also agreed with your demands completely. Many of your demands have been accepted. Now the matter is stuck on the resignation of a minister (Federal law minister Zaid Hamid). It is reported that you are showing no flexibility on this point though many of your demands have been accepted. Kindly elaborate your view point.
Bismillah Hirra hma Nirrahim, Aslato Wassalmo Alaika Ya Rasool Allah, Wa Ala Alika wa Ashabika Ya Khatamun Nabiyin, Many thanks Sir, May Almighty keep you happy. The point is our basic demand is the immediate resignation of law minister Zaid Hamid, we never talked about any other demand. Since we left Lahore we have been saying that our basic demand is resignation. Only after that we would talk about something else. I don’t know what are the accepted demands and what are the unaccepted ones. The man who is culprit of this robbery, or if he is innocent then he should name who else is responsible. It is same like a thief is caught red handed and then he says sorry. Tell me can he be forgiven for merely saying sorry? Then we have their (government) announcements of two days earlier, declaring, “There is absolutely no change (to finality of prophet-hood clauses) Only these molvies do not understand English”. Then when they accepted, said, “Yes we have had a mistake”. Then they said, “Clerics made this mistake”. Then said, “No this is the mistake of whole parliament”. This thing and that thing.
OK, if they had made no mistake then what corrections have they made now? They should inform us. It is clear that there was a mistake. All we want is whoever made this “mistake” should be discovered and be punished according to the law and the constitution.
The answers, “My father has been buried in Mian Mir (Famous Sufi shrine in Lahore). My mother has been buried in such and such graveyard. I am a great lover of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him).” Is any of this answers the question that we came to ask from Lahore to Islamabad? The question is who is the culprit? That’s all. “I sit in aitekaff every year in Masjid e Nabvi Shareef”. Brother, is this the question we asked you? We ask who was so bold (to forge the constitution)? If you did this then surrender to law and take whatever punishment according to the law. If you did not do this then mention the real criminal. This is the whole issue that they have been stretching so long.
Q. OK Allama Sahib, Raja Zafarul Haque, a senator of PMLN, a committee were formed under his supervision for this very purpose, to identify the people responsible for this (Changes in Khatm E Nabuwwat clauses). Today federal interior minister Ahsan Iqbal had a conference with Islamic scholars from whole Pakistan and it were decided that the findings of the Zafarul Haque committee be made public. Do you think you would be satisfied with the report of that committee or you would still be insisting on the resignation of Zahid Hamid.
The committee (conference) that has been called, every ruler finds such people available. If those scholars and peers are from our dharna (sit-in), then they have right to talk. If they can not sit with us then they may have had tents and sit-in in D-chowk. Have they had sit-in in cold weather? Have these people presented any sacrifices? What right these people have. Would they be representing us? We ourselves are present to represent ourselves and to safeguard the finality of the prophethood of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace and countless blessings of almighty Allah be upon him). Who are those people? I do not know them. I have seen their face for the first time.
Q. That means no man from your sit-in or your organization was part of this conference?
No. If someone had a speech from our platform, he is not our representative. We have our shura of 15 members. No one from them went to that conference. Shouldn’t only a member of our shura be presenting our view. If some one came and had a speech from our stage, he is still not authorised to present our view. I am the Ameer (Chairman TLP) and then there is the shura to give our views. It is not a game of children. They did so big a mistake and blasphemy, and then called hand picked Molvies (religios scholars). Is this the way to solve the problem? Did they resolve the issue of Pervaiz Rasheed by calling Molvies? Similarly the matters of cabinet and other issues related to governance, do they call Molvies to solve? How cruel these people are! We have very simple demand. First he (interior minister) said these are only 150 people. You see they have imprisoned our 2700 workers. Still we are 150, yesterday he accepted the number to be 2000. It is not the question whether we are 2000 or 200,000 or 20,000,000. It is the problem of whole Muslim Ummah. Today I received a call from Egypt, from an international Islamic organization, they were worried for this matter and said that our problem should be resolved. Whole Islamic community suffered from this issue and they called two (hand picked) Molvies to solve this big issue. Is this the solution? Why the pious companions of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) presented sacrifices. Why didn’t Sahaba did one or two conferences in Madinah? Musailmah is sitting there and we have to hold talks on Khatm-E-Nabuwwah. Khatme Nabuwwah demands sacrifices. We are sitting with our heads to be sacrificed. Through your media I want to inform the whole world that till our issue is resolved we are sitting here. Either we would be arrested or be martyred.
Q. Allama Sahib government tried for negotiations and people from your side also met with governments teams. Wasn’t there any proceeding in that direction? I mean I want to know what happened during those negotiations?
Nothing happened. All they say is forgive him. Who are we to forgive him? Inna ala zeen uzuna , they grieved the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), and to forgive is Molvi Khadim Hussain? How sensible is this demand? As an example, a daughter of a person gets abducted by a person from third block comes forward and forgives? Has it ever happened anywhere in the world? Is there any law that allows rights of one person be be exonerated by a third person? Ahsan Iqbal is telling lies on lies. This is a strange thing. Such a person has no right to become an interior minister at the first place (Article 61/62).He is continuously lying from day. He should fear Allah. He says his mother is buried in Janatul Baquih. Have we come to ask about your mother? At another times he says he has the cloth from the Roza Rasool (Peace be upon him). You decide yourself, what is the question and what are these explanations? These people are not at all serious. If they were serious, this issue demands no more than 10 minutes.
Q. Allama Sahib you explained well the reasons why you are here. But the problem is Islamabad is the capital city of Pakistan and besides the citizens of Islamabad are also suffering. Pakistan’s image is at question on international level that the capital of Pakistan has been jammed for two weeks. How would you justify the problems faced by the people?
Please inform, while the mistake has been committed in Islamabad, should we had gone to Amratsar or Dehli to protest? We had to sit-in where the mistake has been committed. The other thing is, were not the image of Pakistan tarnished when Dr. Afia Siddiqi was sold? When, in the country obtained in the name of Kalmah Tayabba, a robbery was committed against Khatme Nabuwwah, didn’t the image tarnish then ? America is dictating amendments in blasphemy and Khatme Nabuwwah clauses, doesn’t it tarnish the image of Pakistan, a soverign state. Why is America dictating this? Not when they called Qadiyanies there brothers and sisters? Not when Musharaf presented 6 type of dances to Bush in president house in 2006, as written by Gen Shahid Aziz in his book ‘Yeh Khamoshi Kahan Tak’, and in last dance the daughters of Muslims were presented naked? What are you talking about. The image of Pakistan improved due to the issue of Khatme Nabuwwah. The eyes of whole Ummah are fixed on Pakistan at present. The Muslims who do not even understand our language show concern for our cause. These are agents (bootlickers) of Jews and Christians so they are say that image of Pakistan hs been compromised. It is now that image of Pakistan has came on track.
Q. Allama sahib there is criticism on you, sorry for asking but i want to know, it is being said that miscreants are present in your sit-in and it is a conspiracy against Pakistan. I want you to explain this question too.
You see, isn’t it hat there are miscreants spread all over Pakistan who blast bombs, murdering is going on, the worsening state of Baluchistan. If there are miscreants in our sit-in, then they would martyr me, OK. The would shoot Molvi Khadim, what is more sever that can happen? With the grace of Almighty Allah our security is high alert. There is no miscreant. Lies over lies that there are miscreants. If there are any, send your agencies to capture them.
Q. Allama Sahib are you sure that the workers in your sit-in have no fire arms.
In my tent there is not even a knife present. If I need something, I instruct them (workers) to borrow from some one. How can I say that. When our sit-in ends I roam the participants in different get up. I have never seen such a person. If there were any miscreants, they would have shooted me finding that I am all alone. Here comes on wheel chair, let us shoot him. What nonsense.
Q. Allama shib some problems are created due to sit-in, the traffic problems, people finding it difficult to reach work places, ambulances getting stuck.
Are these we who created these problems? Why did we marched from Lahore? It is those (government) who created problems. Was there any agitation before, were there a storm, was nation on streets demanding to change the law? Why that change in the clauses of Khatme? We ourselves have this very question, who is the person that took Pakistan to such severe condition. That has caused distress to whole Muslim Ummah. Perhaps you are not aware that many big Islamic Madrassahs have been closed, school and college students, women are writing us letters, yesterday one woman sent 7 children to sit-in and wrote a letter to me, “Since you have forbidden women to come (to sit-in) therefore please sacrifice these 7 children of mine on the name of the Rasool Allah (Peace be upon him)”. Those people do not understand the sensitivity of this issue. They are lying.
Q. Therefore Allama Sahib you understand that whatever problems are faced, an ambulance gets stuck with a patient in trouble, then that is due to the government. You are not responsible.
There is no restriction on ambulances, there is no restriction on food. People pass through here, women pass through, ambulances pass through and school, college students pass through here. The only difference is where one took food after 10 minutes, now he gets after half an hour. If one brought groceries in 30 minutes, now brings in 45 minutes. These are but two roads. They all are telling lies. All these frauds are to avoid being naked before the nation. Sometimes they say there are beatings, sometimes they say a child died, sometimes they say ambulances get stuck. The father of the child, whose FIR they registered against me, told me that Police came to him and said that they would facilitate him in every respect and make a strong case against Molvi Khadim. When that man found out that sit-in was for Khhatme Nabuwwah he himself phoned us. The name of that child’s father is Bilal. He told us that when he came to know that sit-in is for the Prophet (Peace be upon him), this was but one child if he had 100, he would have been glad to sacrifice them.
Q. Allama Sahib as the instructions of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) are, like keep the paths open, do not sit on roads, open up the roads for transportation so that people do not face problems. What about all those religious instructions?
You must know very well that at the time of Fatah Mecca Hazoor (Peace be upon him) closed all the roads of Madinah. It seems you are unaware of this. And he appointed Hazrat Umar (May Allah be pleased with him) on guard. Only one road was left open for people. A letter left Madinah, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) informed his companions of breech and instructed them to go and fetch that woman and the letter she is carrying. These people only read Wa ma arsalnaka illa rehamtal lil alameen. Ya ayuhal nabiyu jahidil kuffar wal munafeqin wagluz alaihim, my Prophet fight with infidels and hypocrites and be harsh on them. Where did go this verse? …Wa ya deen kuluhu lillah, my beloved order your servants to fight the infidels so that Islam spreads all over the world. If you arrange a Shabeenah Taraweeh, I can recite complete Holy Quran in one rakkat to you. I will tell the translation too.
Q. Now Allama sahib, the matter is that IHC has ordered to end the sit-in.
Than this is good thing what is bad in it. Its good the Honorable have issued it. The Honorable who ordered it, he himself reached from Pindi to Lahore for Justice Iftikhar Chaushary in 25 hours . The actual travel time is 5 hours. Why were 20 hours of the nation wasted? Traffic remained disturbed, life went on a pause (mouatal) and in very Faizabad Honorable was himself raising slogans, Iftikhar Chaudhary zinda baad. If that was legal then why slogans of Tajdare Khatme Nabuwwat Zinda baad are illegal. Right.
Q. Allama Sahib I want to know, this is the order of the court and the orders of the court have/should be always complied with.
Then you should comply. Who is stopping you. You comply, Ma Sha Allah. Were Nawaz Sharif complying when he came out, from Pindi to Lahore, was he complying? Hear please.
Q. Yes Yes, Please carry on
You see, if court orders are always to be complied with then what was he saying from Pindi to Lahore (Mujhe kton nikala), against whom were he talking? In Abbottabad whom he said highwaymen (rahzan). Please ask only what is acceptable. In the matter of finality of prophethood, you people sitting on TV channnels should not talk rubbish. What are the instruction of Islam, that should be broadcasted.
Q. Allama Sahib we want to understand.
Listen to me. The strange thing is you observed the traffic jam, where were you when the robbery was committed against Khatame Nuabuwwah? How many programs did you air? How many anchors spoke in favor of this issue? You people have no clue of the sensitivity of the issue. Twelve hundred pious Sahaba embraced martyrdom for this very cause. The largest loss of Islam in any war till then, the big war of Khatme Nabuwwah. Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddique (May Allah be pleased with him) said that if beasttes of jungle come to Madinah and drag out me and the hijab observing women in homes even then the war would be fought. Siddique Akbar would keep safeguarding the Khatme Nabuwah.
Q. OK, Sir, media fulfilled its duties. It was media who first published the news that there were changes in oath. Certainly the Khatame Nabuwwah is the issue of every Muslim. There can be no compromise on this issue.
But responsibility does not end here. If that were the case then 10 Sahabau would go for war, 10 would make speeches , do seminars and conferences that Musailmah has come how can we deal with him. The responsibility of the respect of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) is that Siddiqu-e Akbar at first made the law that Badri Sahabh would not fight any war in future. When the issue of Khatame Nabuwwat rose, he broke his own law and instructed every one, irrespective of being Badri or not, to reach Yamamah. Then Ashra Mubashara went, blind Sahahbah went, ones with cut hands went, old went. You should inform the sensitivity of this issue to the public, not that traffic is jammed or food is being served with a delay of 10 or 12 minutes. If someone does not get degree this year, he will get it the next year. Many school and college student donated their fees here that they may keep studying in future. Next year we may study but now is the time to stand for Khatme Nabuwwah. The boys are present in sit-in who had their fathers died, mothers death, grandfather death, brother deaths. We told them to leave but they said no, “We are here till the issue of Khatme Nabuwwah gets resolved”. The heads of our children were broken (in beatings by security forces). The tooth and jaws have been broken. Their legs and arms have been broken. We said them to leave but they said no, “we are here to be martyred in the respect of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)”. These are the passions you should be telecasting to the nation. You only view traffic jam but have no idea what are the feelings and passion of the people. You should represent these people as well.
Q. Allama Sahib of course they are being represented. For that very purpose we requested you to be guest in this programm. So that your views, the ones who are present in the sit-in, also reach the public. We present all sorts of views.
No, not the view of all kinds be presented. When there is the matter of Prophet (Peace be upon him), then only that view needs be broadcasted. You see there were 1,24,000 shahbah at that time (Yamamah war) and not single one of them said that in his view Musailma Kazzab should be instructed and preached first. At present the conditions are not suitable for war. Madinah should not be left empty. When the matter is of Hazoor (Peace be upon him) then,
هر که عشق مصطفی سامان اوست
بحر و بر در گوشهٔ دامان اوست
har key ishq Mustafa (Peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him) saman osat
behr o bar dar goshai damana osat
Then earth, skies, oceans all are at stake because Allah created all these things for his Beloved (Peace be upon him). You should not broadcast every point of view. Please take note. A man is Mirzai (Follower of Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani), would you present his views too? That Qadiyani received revelations, would you broadcast that too?
Q. Allama Sahib, Broadcasting view of someone lie does not turn to truth and truth to a lie? There is a man for every matter who understands the matter. If we need guidance in matters of religion, we have scholars like you and we consult you. Presenting a view is a different thing and agreeing to that view is a different thing.
You should not even hear that other view. When Musailmah Kazzab asked Hazrat Zaid (May Almighty Allah be pleased with him), A tashhadu anni anna rasool allah, do you witness I am a prophet? He asked this question while holding a sord on his head. Do you witness I am a prophet of Allah? Musailmah presented his view but what was the response of the companion (of the Holy Prophet peace be upon him)? La asmauka “I do not hearing your chatter” . Why would you hear other views? You should not hear those other views. Such thinking has never been entertained in Islam. With the arrival of the Prophet (Peace be upon him), all such other thoughts ended. For this reason I say that, “Had Muslim read the incident of 1200 deaths, they would not have heared any other narrative.”. And what are we? The roads where Sahaba travelled, we do not equate even to dust particles of those paths.
Q. Allama Sahib IHC has also order that you should be moved to a place reserved for sit-ins and you open the Faizabad interchange. Is this suggestion acceptable to you?
As a matter of fact we are sitting with the same views we had on day one. When that demand is met, Inshahllah we will move out elsewhere.
Q. That means if you are asked to change the sit-in place, you won’t accept it.
Not before that.
Q. Allama sahib one thing that I want to understand, if there is any doubt left, in minds of our viewers, to let it be cleared. Regarding the example you were quoting regarding the closing of paths of the state of Madinah and your details about the incident of Musailmah Kazzab. Sir, I want to know from you that those were the incidents 1400 years ago. Can the present day situations, contrary to when the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) was himself present and Sahabah ikram were present, can the events be dealt with in the same 1400 years old methods? There were no free courts then. Now we have free courts. (This is blasphemy, Abu Bakar) that make decisions. I want to understand this comparison.
We have recited the Kalmah,
بدلے گا زمانہ لاکھ مگر قرآن نہ بدلا جائے گا
ہے قول محمد (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) قول خدا، فرمان نہ بدلا جائے گا
Badlay ga zamana lakh magar quran na badla jay ga
Hay qole Muhammad (Peace be upon him) qol khuda farman na badla jay ga
Time will change much but the Holy Quran would never be changed
The order of Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is the order of Allah, the order would never be changed
It is the same Kalmah, Same god, same Prophet (Peace be upon him), same heavens and same earth, same sun. It is only we who have changed.
بدل دیا رخ مشرق کو تو نے اے مغرب
خدا بچائے تیری ہوا سے اس زمانے کو
Badal diya rukh mashriq ko aey maghrab
teri hawa se bachay khuda zamanay ko
O’ West, You changed the ennviornment of East
May Almighty Allah save these times from your air
For that, what Iqbal has said,
سوز عشق از دانش حاضر مجوی
کیف حق از جام این کافر مجوی
soze ishaq az danish e hazir majoy
Jame haq rah jame eein kafir majoyy
The passion of love can not be received from moderen intellect
The passion of right can not be obtained from drinking this forbidden
Iqbal says, when he came back after studying in Europe, he said…, those are long details, I will discuss later if there is a discussion on Iqbaliyat
Iqbal says if a man is impressed by Europe and machines of Europe, their progress, their roads, their electricity networks, Iqbal says there will be no fragrance of love of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) present near him.
Iqbal says the one who was served drink of love of Prophet (Peace be upon him) in European glass, you would never guess if he has the lover of the Prophet (Peace be upon him).
دانش حاضر حجاب اکبر است
بت پرستو، بت فروشو، بت گر
Danish e Hazir hijab e akbar asat
but parasto but furusho but gar
Iqbal says that the modern education and intellect of ذurope it is the biggest idol that hinders a man from reaching the Prophet (Peace be upon him). It makes new idols of theories then sell those idols and then ask to worship those idols. This is what Iqbal has instructed us. And then told at the end
زندگی گیرد بایں قانون ثبات
zindgi geerat baeen qanoone sabat.
Iqbal says if the Muslim Ummah wants to again live with respect and dignity, that is only possible be following the religion of the Prophet (Peace be upon him). There is no other way of making the Ummah great again.
سرود رفته باز آید که ناید؟
نسیمی از حجاز آید که ناید؟
Sarood rafta baz ayad ke na ayad
Naseemi az hijaz ayad ke na ayad
سرآمد روزگار این فقیری
دگر دانای راز آید که ناید؟
Saramad rozgare een faqeeri
Digar danay raz ayed ke na ayed
Iqbal says I have opened the secrets, now if a person with indide information comes again in future, he would tell you what is the secret of the religion of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) and what is the love of the Prophet(Peace be upon him). And at the end he said and left
کی محمد(صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) سے وفا تو نے تو ہم تیرے ہیں
یہ جہاں چیز ہے کیا لوح و قلم تیرے ہیں
Ki Muhammad (Peace be upon him) say wafa tone to haum tere hain
Ye jahana cheez hay kiya loho kalam tere hain
Q. That menas you think that the situation after 1400 years is same as it was then. And this matter shoud be dealt in the same light as it were dealt with 1400 years ago by the Sahabah Ikram and the Prophet (Peace be upon him).
It is not me who is saying this. This is in Ibne Maja Shareef, a book from six authentec Ahadeeth books, it is on its first page. My lord (Peace be upon him) said:
تَرَكْتُكُمْ عَلَى مِثْلِ الْبَيْضَاءِ لَيْلُهَا كَنَهَارِهَا
taraktukum aa mithlil baidai lailuha wa nharuha
The religion I am leaving to you, its day is day and its night is also day.
لَا يَزِيغُ عَنْهَا بَعْدِي إِلَّا هَالِكٌ،
La yazeeghu anha ba’di illa halikun
He instructed, Only he will turn his face away from my religion who is going to be destructed.
Till the day of Qyamah (resurection), deen will keep shining.
It is we who have changed. It is me, in who darkness has been produced but I though it were religion that had something to do with it. Relegion (Deen) is the same shining Deen. Yes the darkness was inside me and I tried to blame that darkness on. May Almighty Allah awardness greatness to Islamic Ummah with this religion.